ah so it's 91 objects, I thought 91 was the amount of IN_/OUT_total for all attached object hence I was thinking I might have had too many objects connected to the script, but that's cool.so don't worry loop my question was phrased based on what I thought the limit was so that's all good.

one other question what is the current maximum for skinmeshes, do we still have to use an array.ini file to boost the maximum or is that no longer neccesary? it's just at the moment I have 136 skinmeshes, all quads used as skinmesh sprites so they all have a shader applied to them, and it's all good the project runs at 60fps, though if I add another 20 skinmeshes(nothing done to them just adding them to the project) the framerate becomes terrible, like how the sound bug slows things down. I thought skinmesh maximum was 500? it's not poly count slowing things down as they are just quads so was wondering if any one has any ideas as to why this is happening. also if I add a script after adding in the 20 and link a few to it it becomes unusable. thanks for any ideas.

edit:also after doing above and testing several times more then loading another project I get a can't find 000_shadow message then a visual studio message and 3drad crashes out.

edit: even hideing the majority of the previous skinmeshes does not improve the framerate.

yes that's sounds very similar loop, in total I have:

14 x groups
1  x sunlight
1  x textprint
1 x skybox
1 x camera
17 x scripts
138 x skinmesh

total: 173 and that would make sense as I reach over 200 the screen stops wanting to update.

up until then it's like juttering for a few seconds smoothing out juttering again increasing in justtering until over 200.

not a good thing, but I'm glad I'm not alone here loop as I thought, have I done something wrong?

Earlier there was a problem with the group object holding alot of items. Does it help deleting the group objects ?

Shadmar, delete groups was one of my solutions to try, and it didnt helpd. is not about the groups. plus the problem with the groups (which I think I never experimented) is suppose to be solved ages ago.

Genetransfer, yes, we can always try to save objects number here and there... to avoid the problem, but the problem gonna still be there. I dont think is good idea fall into that kind of "solutions".

Im glad this is comming up, so maybe with some luck its solved.

just to test the limits manually I:

created a new project
added 50 skinmesh quads.(no shadows,no fog,no zbuffer etc...)
saved the project.
then merged that project to the current one until I had 300 quad skinmesh and it ran at 60fps

then I went to merge another lot and from then on i would only get the frame of the window (of the dialoguebox) that is supposed to open when you merge or load a project, so I couldn't select another project to load or merge. not sure if that is supposed to happen either.

edit: tried again and only 49fps at 300 skinmesh quads.

Hi Fernando, attached is a project I made this morning. I merged in skinmeshes(quads) till I had 350 and a chase cam. it ran a 60fps in editor and playing mode(so there was no drop in framerate caused by the quds will do it again in a sec to see if going higher than 350 will effect anything. then i added a couple of scripts, a sunlight,textprint and terrain. linked the scripts,that don't do anything, to a few objects and the frame rate dropped to about 57. attched is the project I will tell you how many skinmeshes alone I can get in a second.

edit: ok I did a test with one chasecam and 450 skinmesh quads, and in the editor edit mode it was 0fps, and after hitting space it was 57fps. so I'm guessing that it's not the skinmeshes slowing things down but all the objects in general, so realistically speakeing 3drad might only be able to hold around 200 objects playable in total, once you have scripts and everything going on, as the slowdown on my project wasn't even helped yesterday by hideing 90 percent of visuals.

this is not good, as I'm looking at my 3rd person shooter and my player alone takes up 60 objects alone, eeek! and the project itself is already at 150 objects.

edit: also just reloaded the 450 skinmesh and one cam and got a message : 3drad overflow: too many resources used. it didn't crash but still 0fps.

When you have hundreds of objects in a project, the overhead caused by internal messages (that are always exchanged, even for objects that do apparently nothing) can be bigger than the overhead caused by rendering or script processing.

During editing the amount of messages is bigger than during project playing.

I doubt there is any way to optimize this, but I will use your stress test and see if something can be done.

Thanx genetransfer!

which is a pretty elegant way to say "the limit 3drad can handle without killing itself".

short way to say "the limit that your system can process without breaking something, in 3drad which is bad, bad, bad". The limit *may* depend on system specs, not 3drad limitations alone.